EDITORIAL
February 21, 1999 VNN3119 See Related VNN Stories
Notes From A Think Tank
BY GHQ
EDITORIAL, Feb 21 (VNN)
12. Sita was the only woman
"Jivanmukta's wife Sita was the only
woman active in these discussions. One of her main roles appears to have
been to leak texts from the "International Women's Conference" on COM to
the GHQ members."
Why Mother Sita dd was the only female member of GHQ is revealed in
Section 1 by Mother Sita dd herself. Basically, she thought it best that
GHQ be a "male only" conference, and her reasons are given in Section
1.
By stating the above, does "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" want
the unknowing reader to feel that the conspicuous absence of ladies on
GHQ was suspiciously deviant, thus fortifying the distorted image of GHQ
that he intends to convey?
Actually we very much wanted input from chaste
Vaisnavis, and originally three were slated to participate. But for various
reasons, as explained in Section
1, they decided
it best not to be directly involved in the discussions. DMW, however, has
always consisted of both men and women. On the contrary, the Women's Ministry's
COM conference includes no men. This fact should perhaps be investigated,
for perhaps there are "nefarious" reasons why men are excluded.
13. Intended to disempower women
"...and to search folio for quotes intended to
disempower women."
Let us look at this word, "empower," and its opposite,
"disempower," which are both trendy, psycho-babble-rap words of the New
Age establishment. This word "disempower" is key to feminists, for they
desire to be empowered with resources, administrative authority, false
prestige, etc.---the selfsame goals that materialists vie for in quest
for universal hegemony. But are these goals legitimate for us who seek
to understand our relationship with God, to act according to that relationship,
and to fulfil our birthright of pure love for Sri Krsna? Of course, they
are not. In fact, this very quest for labha-puja-pratishta is a
major cause of fall down from spiritual life.
One disillusioned former member of the feminist
International Women's Conference (IWC) on COM made the following observation:
"When I joined IWC,
I had great hopes of hearing women's perspective of becoming Krsna conscious
and developing our devotional mood. But, in my humble opinion, most of
the discussions are grounded in material considerations and aspirations.
This is not why I came to Krsna consciousness. I have had my fill of this
materially centered nonsense, and am seeking higher goals." (2.3)
"Materially centered nonsense": Is that what the Women's
Ministry and the feminist movement within ISKCON is about? How is it related
to spiritual life? Or is it an impediment to spiritual life, being primarily
aimed at material aggrandizement?
A Godbrother once commented that the problem with
ISKCON feminists, the cause of their unrest, is that they are not self-satisfied.
And why aren't they self-satisfied? Because they are not preaching. For
devotees caught up in the feminist movement, preaching has ground to a
halt.
This same devotee is labeled by certain feminists
as a "male chauvinist pig." Yet he is preaching and inspiring many women
from the educated class to become devotees; he has guided many professional
women (teachers, doctors, etc.) along the path of devotional service. Yet
in Alachua, the home of the Women's Ministry, and with perhaps the highest
percentage per capita of feminists in ISKCON, how many new devotees have
been recruited? How is it that a "male chauvinist pig" is inspiring highly
educated, professional women to become devotees but the women of Alachua
cannot? We are being told that unless Vaisnavis become empowered and ISKCON
modernizes for the 90s, we will not be able to attract intelligent, educated
women. If that is so, then it follows logically that:
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Women who joined ISKCON strictly on the basis of Srila
Prabhupada's books are not intelligent.
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The Godbrother mentioned above, by his "fundamentalist"
methods, should not have been able to attract intelligent, educated women
to the sankirtana movement . (But he did.)
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All members of the Women's Ministry must necessarily
be empowered preachers, recruiting intelligent women (and men) to ISKCON.
(But are they?)
Srila Prabhupada wanted to produce spiritually empowered
preachers, whereas the Women's Ministry seems to be interested primarily
in "material considerations and aspirations." Another woman writes:
"My question then would be then why are
they married? Or more importantly, why did they get a woman's body? Obviously
they had some desire that got them that body so why not use it for what
it was intended? Also, throughout history, oppressed people have taken
action! If a woman feels she should be a preacher then she should preach!!
And by showing her skill it would be undeniable that she was qualified.
But walking around saying woman's rights woman's
rights woman's rights seems like a waste of breath." (2.1)
The same above-mentioned Godbrother once hosted a
leading member of the Women's Ministry. He introduced her to professional
women whom he had guided to become practicing devotees. He tells that she
chose not to discuss Krsna consciousness with them but instead to encourage
them: "Oh, you have a Masters degree? You should become a manger in ISKCON…"
The women later commented to him that "We didn't become devotees to procure
some material position but to develop love for Krsna."
Perhaps we should discount the attitude of those
newly recruited educated women as merely utopian dreams of some who perhaps
read Srila Prabhupada's books too much! Is the goal no longer to become
a humble devotee of Krsna, but rather to seize as much power as possible?
Is that what the Women's Ministry stands for? It is disturbing to think
so. Most of us have spent the last twenty-plus years trying to break free
from the clutches of materially motivated men in positions of power in
ISKCON. Should we instead now give opportunity to materially motivated
women? We maintain this to be an unacceptable proposition.
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" objects that GHQ gathers quotes
meant to defeat the feminist doctrine. But he and his camp are certainly
equally free and entitled to defend their ideology in the same manner,
by finding more and more sastra-pramana to substantiate their
position. That is the way of Vaisnava brahmanas , which Srila Prabhupada
wanted us to become. The brahmana sees through the eyes of the sastras
(sastra caksus) and not through mundane logic spurred by material desires.
"The brahmana sees through the
sastra, the King through his spies, the cow through her nose, and
an ordinary man with his eyes." Canakya Pandita
The problem for "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" and company is
that there is no sabda-pramana with which to conclusively substantiate
their position; thus they defame the very Vaisnava-brahminical method of
philosophical research (as taught by Srila Prabhupada) as hideous and treacherous,
while they themselves apparently prefer to reword sastra for materialistic
purposes. (see 6.2-3)
The question now arises, "Are they who espouse
that men and women should follow Vedic dharma in fact disempowering
women? The answer is "Certainly not." For it is indeed that very neglect
of stri-dharma which actually disempowers a woman and that very
following of stri-dharma which actually empowers her both materially
and spiritually.
"The wife of a brahmana suffering from
leprosy manifested herself as the topmost of all chaste women by serving
a prostitute to satisfy her husband. She thus stopped the movement of the
sun, brought her dead husband back to life and satisfied the three principal
demigods [Brahma, Visnu and Mahesvara].
PURPORT
The Aditya Purana, Markandeya Purana and Padma Purana
tell about a brahmana who was suffering from leprosy but had a very chaste
and faithful wife. He desired to enjoy the company of a prostitute, and
therefore his wife went to her and became her maidservant, just to draw
her attention for his service. When the prostitute agreed to associate
with him, the wife brought her the leprotic husband. When that leper, the
sinful son of a brahmana, saw the chastity of his wife, he finally abandoned
his sinful intentions. While coming home, however, he touched the body
of Markandeya Rsi, who thus cursed him to die at sunrise. Because
of her chastity, the woman was very powerful. Therefore when she heard
about the curse, she vowed to stop the sunrise. Because of her strong determination
to serve her husband, the three deities-namely Brahma, Visnu and Mahesvara-were
very happy, and they gave her the benediction that her husband would be
cured and brought back to life. This example is given herein to
emphasize that a devotee should engage himself exclusively for the satisfaction
of Krsna, without personal motives. That will make his life successful."
CC Antya 20.57
One mataji in the DMW comments:
"One last thing. Before I started trying
to be a flea on the dog of a devotee, I was never surrendered to my husband,
and considered men and women equal. But after reading the glory, love,
and reverence of many of the ladies in the scriptures, and their sense
of duty, I was simply entranced and amazed. I never
knew being in this position could be so powerful. How very sad for
those who read these stories, and turn their nose up while they mutter
about being equal. We didn't get a woman's body for nothing, we got it
for some reason. Perhaps to learn to surrender? Hmmmmmmm........." (2.4)
By dint of her chastity, Mother Gandhari was so powerful
that Bhimsena (more powerful than 10,000 intoxicated elephants) was afraid
of her (this is reference to the fact that though Bhimasena had vowed to
drink the blood squeezed from the heart of Dushasana, he only feigned drinking
it because he feared the wrath of Mother Gandhari). Just see the power
of chastity! Yet feminists claim that these histories are meant only to
encourage undue control of women.
Rather than becoming disempowered (as the feminists
claim) by following her dharma as ordained by Lord Sri Krsna, a
woman becomes very powerful and achieves perfection:
yatah pravrttir bhutanam
yena sarvam idam tatam
sva-karmana tam abhyarcya
siddhim vindati manavah
"By worship of the Lord, who is the source
of all beings and who is all-pervading, a man can attain perfection through
performing his own work." BG 18.46
A newly recovering feminist, who is now practicing
the ways of stri-dharma, wrote to Mother Sita dd, marveling at how
powerful a woman she must be:
"I have also one another problem. I would
appreciate your help in this regard very much. I just don't know how to
manage time. You have to help your husband to run the business then you
have four children and all house work and all the sadhana (chanting, reading,
...). How do you manage all this? "(2.5)
[Sita is currently pregnant with her 5th child.]
Dear reader, please note the many texts in Section
2 providing ladies' testimonies as to how
their marriages became peaceful and happy once they began to follow their
dharma as women. Such peaceful and happy family life is the natural
desire of even normal, mainstream secular women. But it is attainable only
by follow stri-dharma:
"However, every relationship I have seen,
the women were very pushy and loud and disrespectful to their men, and
the men left or were unfaithful. I am the only one who was not feeling
that woman's lib thing and here I am married almost seven years and going
strong, while most of my 'liberated, career minded' old friends have kids
with no father. Why? Because I respect my man and treat him like a man
and my teacher and the leader of this house, and I act like the woman of
this house." (2.1)
14. Damaging the reputations of Vaisnavi leaders
"As can be seen in the first text below,
they used their secret conference to brainstorm strategies to terminate
the women's ministry (including many discussions on whether these efforts
should concentrate on damaging the reputations of Vaisnavi leaders or of
the male ISKCON leaders who support the women's ministry)"
This is simply wrong and totally misleading. Our purpose from the very
outset was to compile a philosophical treatise for presenting to the GBC.
Although it is true that we discussed the possibility of terminating the
IWM, our consensual agreement was to recommend that the IWM be governed
by or amalgamated with the Grhasta Ministry. However, generally speaking,
we also weren't at all hesitant to frankly discuss what we perceived to
be cases of serious philosophical deviance among certain leading personalities
of ISKCON.
In reality, the party guilty of damaging Vaisnavas' reputations by
making false allegations is "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" and associaties. It is a
classic in contrived propaganda.
15. Dossiers of "dirt"
"collect dossiers of 'dirt' on opponents in an
effort to discredit them"
We now direct our gentle reader's attention to Section 3.3.
In this text, regarding her reply to Jasomatinanda Prabhu, Mother Malati
dd includes another text forwarded to the IWC, which she had previously
sent to other forums. The text is identical, except for the addition of
a postscript:
"Yr servant, the most fallen and illiterate,
Malati dd
(Text COM:1743305) -----------------------------------------
PS...(this was not sent
as part of my reply) but does anyone out there know anything about above
mentioned prabhu/temple president and alleged wife-beating?"
Here we witness a GBC Candidate clearly looking for
"dirt" on someone who had challenged her philosophically. She was unable
to counter his assertions philosophically, so it appears herein that she
seeks to blacken his name as in resort. "Private Visakha" made similar
insinuations about her adversary Jivan Mukta Dasa when she wrote to "Generalji"
(Mother Malati dd): "I worry that he is taking out his frustrations on
his wife physically." To which Jivan Mukta Dasa responded (See 3.2
for full response):
"Your accusations, nevertheless, have
revealed to us that even revered Vaisnavis are not immune from the despicable
tendency to make false and vicious accusations against men they dislike.
They quickly stoop to yelling "ABUSER!". Defamation of character is no
small matter. Krsna (and Radharani) could never be pleased when you slander
someone in this way. Why are you taking it so personally? I am simply challenging
your conclusions. If you are unable to defend them then be a lady and admit
defeat. It's OK. We all make mistakes."
16. Strategy to get women to lose their "cool"
"Strategize how to get women to lose
their cool on COM while they themselves appeared as gentlemen."
There was no such strategy. Rather, as will be seen, our concern was
to not degenerate to the same level of pettiness as our opponent matajis.
It was suggested time and again to curtail debates with them, so as not
to divert from our pursuit of more promising philosophical discussions
with sober-minded devotees and GBCs. We were concerned also to avoid occasions
for Vaisnava-aparadha, which is so easily done via e-mail. (This is discussed
below in Article
22.)
17. Feminism: A form of atheism or Mayavada
Yes. It is heretical and can be demonstrated as such.
Such heretical philosophies as åtvikvad and stri sämyavad
are examples of manasikatvena nimita viddhiù "a
system concocted by the mind (without reference
to ñastra)." Feminism, in all its flavors, is mayavad philosophy
(stri sämyavad = the theory that men & women are equal)
it must be exposed and exorcised from Vaisnavism at all costs.
Garden Conversation--June 27, 1976, New Vrindaban
"Caitanya Mahäprabhu, He was so kind,
but still there was distinction. When He was taking prasädam, personal
associates, they were sitting with Him. Is it not? So this is called maryädä.
Maryädä means honor. That must...Varieties must be there. Otherwise
we become Mäyävädés-everything is equal, all one.
This is Mäyäväda philosophy. No varieties. There must be
variety. That is Vaiñëava philosophy. And as soon as you make
it varietyless, all equal, that is Mäyäväda. Just see even
in this flower, this is also flower and this is also flower. Does it mean
they are of the same rank? This is understanding. Together they look very
beautiful, but if you take separate value, then it is valuable than this
flower. That distinction must be there. If somebody says "I am accepting
even the leaf in this garland," then what to speak of rose? It is like
that. Kåñëa says that. That does not mean leaf and rose
have the same value. One is making a beautiful garland, "I am accepting
everything." Mixed together it looks very nice, but individually the leaf
has value, the rose has value, the flower has value. Not that because they
are put together they have equal value. This is Vaiñëava philosophy."
18. BSST and the brahmana-Vaisnava debate
"One of the much-discussed strategies
in the GHQ focused on how to pre-empt the legitimate concerns of ISKCON
vaisnavis. The most popular strategy for accomplishing this is illustrated
in the following quote from one of their texts: 'as a tactic (following
BSST in the brahmana and vaisnava debate) put their concern as our first
concern. Then we put the second concern to show how to deal with the first
concern in reality. What do you all think? Before they jump in and show
fingers to us as if we are abusing the women, we point fingers at the men
and deal with this. So now they have nothing to point fingers at.'"
We will discuss in the next Article
19 "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" distortion of the
truth with regard to "pre-empting the legitimate concerns of the women."
Here we will simply emphasize how one GHQ member suggests that we use a
legitimate form of presentation as shown by our previous acarya,
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura. If because of adopting his method
we are to be considered hypocrites, the further implication then is that
Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura himself is the leading hypocrite
of us his followers. Of course, to conclude so would be a very serious
offense to our predecessor acaryas.
19. These men are not genuinely interested in women's
concerns
"This quote clearly shows that these
men are not genuinely interested in women's concerns but that they would
simply use calls for the protection of women to advance their own cause,
i.e. control of women."
Here we continue with the thread from Article
18. Why does "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" claim as
above? What feeling does he want to evoke from the reader? First he labels
followers of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaja
as hypocrites for employing a certain method of presentation. Now he concludes
that the members of GHQ have no genuine interest in the welfare of ISKCON
Vaisnavis. (We may note here that many Vaisnavis remain active supporters
of GHQ and its goals.) "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" leads the hapless reader to believe
that GHQ's so-called concern for the protection of women was a mere pretense,
the actual motivation being the malignant desire for "control of women."
It is understandable that feelings of revulsion, distrust, or disgust would
enter the minds of those who believe "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" version. Even
one GHQ member admitted that upon reading the "GHQ Conspiracy" account,
he thought "Boy, those guys on GHQ are a real bunch of jerks," until he
remembered that he was one of those guys and that we were not at all as
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" had posed us to be. Words are very powerful, and when
misused with malevolent intentions, they can cause great harm.
By now it should be apparent that "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa" is a master of disinformation. But what is the actual truth? To discover
that truth, we would like to turn our gentle reader's attention to Section
4, to which we will be referring often in this segment of the presentation.
First, we should point out that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa"
has apparently purposely misled the readers into thinking that GHQ members'
concern for women was duplicitous. This conclusion of his was apparently
not simply an innocent mistake conveyed to the public, but rather a calculated
strategy to create in devotees' minds revulsion towards the members of
GHQ and their agenda. Why do we say that? Let us consider the following:
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"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" misinterprets a statement of Vidvan
Gauranga Dasa (VGd) and presents that misunderstanding as the mission of
GHQ.
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However, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" neglects to mention that
VGd did not submit his first text to GHQ until October 26, 1998, nearly
a month after the online inception of GHQ (September 28, 1998) and even
longer away from the very first of these discussions held via personal
e-mails between members. VGd had been travelling to Vrndavana for the parikrama
and so was incommunicado via e-mail from September 19 to October 26. But
up till that time, senior GHQ members had already logged considerable discussion.
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"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" excludes many exculpatory texts
prior to October 26, 1998, as well as after this date--texts which show
that GHQ's concerns truly were for the benefit and protection of women
of ISKCON and society in general.
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"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" presented texts out of their original
context, thus creating confusion to his readers. The reader would thus
be misled and drawn to a particular conclusion----a conclusion far removed
from the truth.
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"Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" deceipt, as mentioned above,
suggests his personal desire to further the cause of feminism within ISKCON.
Let us now examine a few quotes from the exculpatory
texts, which verify that certain ladies misled the general devotees about
our intentions (Complete texts available in Section
4.):
"I am also in full agreement with the
proper cultural behavior in ISKCON. Women must be respected and protected
but not allowed to act like men……So, although we didn't allow women to
lead kirtan in the temple, anyone misbehaving with
women is dealt with heavy hand and offenders were publicly punished to
create proper etiquette."
"Just as Husband as Swami and has authority over wife (woman)
he also has responsibility towards her. Men
can't have only authority and no responsibility. In Mayapura to
the extent possible we tried to make sure that along with strict behavioral
standards for the ladies they are not ill treated or dishonored eg. when
we found that some man made lewd calls to some ladies we track the guy
down and then gave him good punishment and he had to fall at the feet of
the ladies whom he offended and beg forgiveness. And many ladies appreciate
that. Although some ladies have made it a point to flog Mayapura on the
internet or publicly, many resident ladies support us."
On October 6,th twenty days before VGd joined GHQ,
Ameyatma Prabhu wrote a very inspiring text called "Women Do Have Legitimate
Issues." His recently written long rebuttal of the "GHQ Conspiracy" file
was an expansion of that text. He wrote:
"…The real root
source is that the men were not fully self-realized, were not fully qualified
…The whole women's issue has arisen because there are legitimate complaints
that the women have not been protected properly…I say our effort must therefore
deal with whole issue, we must also address the legitimate issues concerning
the women… If the leadership, and men, in ISKCON had provided proper protection
for the women, they would not complain. The fact that women are complaining
like mad is due to the fact the men have not properly
protected them."
"I will repeat myself from a previous post, if the men had
been more qualified leaders then the women would be satisfied. It is because
our leaders have failed us, all of us, the children who were beaten and
molested, the women who were left without protection, the wives who were
abused with no where to go, etc., that these women have felt so powerless
and so much at the mercy of buffoons for so long, that out of frustration
they are demanding to take matters into their own hands. We
must earn the respect of leadership by becoming good leaders before most
women will back off. So, somehow, I am thinking we should incorporate
these ideas into our efforts and deal with these issues as a part of our
plan."
In one text, VGd expresses his concern
that nowadays early marriage for girls may not be safe, because the present
social situation sorely lacks the necessary support to marriage partners
that would otherwise naturally be provided per the extended family system.
In another text he wrote:
"I also thought the same thing. When I
discussed with an IWC-sympathizer sometime back, I
discovered that many of their concerns are indeed valid. Here's
a sample of what I have heard:
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In general, women are not being protected. For eg.
During public harinams, men lead kirtans, and women follow behind. One
lady told me that sometimes some karmis would try to 'attack' her and other
ladies but the men were absorbed in the bliss of harinama and they got
fried!…
… I also remember that once when I was
a child, I went on pilgrimage with my mother, aunt, grandmother, younger
sister, and grandfather. There was no accommodation in the Guest House.
Finally my grandfather argued with the guest house manager that there are
ladies here and that he should at least provide a small room for the ladies
to stay and that he and his grandson will sleep in the corridor or in the
lounge. He got a small room and the ladies stayed there while I and my
grandfather slept in the corridor that night (after getting some eatables
for the ladies). It was always understood that giving
physical protection and emotional support to ladies was a very high priority.
Even when there were disagreements and fighting, the men always
made sure that the ladies ate and were okay. I heard that from my aunt.
We have to CARE for the ladies. I mean the Grhastha devotees have to take
up that responsibility. It has to start somewhere and traditionally that
meant the grhastha men…"(4.17)
Jaya Tirtha Caran Dasa (JTCd) quoted many verses from
Manu-samhita describing how women should be respected:
"55. Women must be honored and adorned
by their fathers, brothers, husbands, and brothers-in-law, who desire (their
own) welfare.
56. Where women are honored, there the gods are pleased; but
where they are not honored, no sacred rite yields rewards…."
And then (JTCd) commented:
"To me this suggests that the Vedic goals
were to satisfy all walks of society. The results of not following the
Vedic path results in what we often see and hear complained about."
Another devotee cited that within cultured families,
if a man habitually mistreated his wife, he would be beaten by his own
brothers:
"Rather I had different experience. One
of my uncles was a drunkard and it was a big shame on the family and the
uncle knew it very well. So, as long as my grandfather was alive he never
came to the house in drunken state and behaved well to his wife. But later
on, after Grandfather's death there was no one, who could control him.
So, he would come to the house in drunken state and then started beating
his wife. This was understood by other ladies who were at home and reported
to the other male members of the society. So, all the other brothers got
together and warned him very heavily. But he repeated
one in their presence, and then all my other uncles and father got together
and gave him a good beating."
Shyamasundara Prabhu said:
"Ameyatma Prabhu has emphasized the need
for training men and then the woman problem will be solved. He is correct.
In the following lecture SP emphasizes that woman are mostly imbued with
rajas and tamas. Men also, but only men can rise to sattva. Thus the husband
must become a devotee to be able to lead his wife."
"In the following
selection from a lecture by Srila Prabhupada he explains that in Vedic
culture a woman doesn't even go to a spiritual master for instruction and
education what to speak of school or brahmacarini ashrama. Her instructor
and teacher is her husband (father when young). BUT
the husband must be of high quality and gentle, etc. So the onus is on
the man."
Why did "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" exclude all the exculpatory
texts which show GHQ's real intentions? Why instead did he prefer to paint
GHQ as a conspiracy of insincere rascals?
20. Mother Malati's GBC appointment criticized
"One of the most discussed texts involved
a letter written by Jasomatinandana, in which he criticized Malati's GBC
appointment. Although no GHQ members appeared capable of realizing why
mainstream devotees had been offended by Jasomatinandana's text, they agreed
that it might be best if they tone down future attacks for tactical reasons."
In Article
22, we will discuss the false charges by
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" as extrapolated from his insinuation that we decided
to avoid "future attacks for tactical reasons." But for now, we shall touch
upon "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" use of the word "mainstream," which appears to
be his tactic for manipulating the reader's emotions. For, once labeled
as being outside the mainstream, a person is then easily marginalized as
a misfit or fanatic. Notions of threat by so-called strangers who do not
fit within the mainstream mold are thus easily conjured. Such antisocial
characters then become the enemy because they do not follow the mainstream.
However, to be within the mainstream is often not
at all good: mainstream Americans are proud to be beef-eaters, overly fond
of illicit sex, habituated to intoxicants of wide description, and given
to so many other unhealthy mainstream activities. They sport in the mainstream
current of nescience, while cascading down to hellish conditions of future
life.
Regarding the sentiments of various GHQ members
towards Mother Malati dd, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" (in his apparent strategy
to misrepresent and malign the members of GHQ) excluded several exculpatory
texts which showed that, despite certain differences, the GHQ members did
maintain appropriate respect for Mother Malati dd. Please now see Section
5, wherein Mother Malati dd is the subject
of several texts. HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami states:
"From my experience, Malati Mataji is
a very nice, humble and sincere devotee. Not an anti male chauvinist pig
type. Could be entered into dialog with."
And HH Rasananda Swami said:
"But I have to reveal that I do not like
to read what is being told about Mother Malati. I consider her a good vaisnavi.
I lived in New Vrndavana for some time as sankirtana leader (about two
years ago) and I had some exchanges with her and due to circumstances I
had to visited her ashram. I have to tell you that I was always pleased
by visiting her ashram. I appreciated the training that she gave to her
girls. They were relating with me in a chaste and polite way."
Again, we must ask why "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" has not
presented these texts?
It must be apparent to the reader by now that both
the public and GHQ members are victims of a deliberate program of deception
designed to incite the contempt and scorn of the general ISKCON population
toward the members of GHQ.
21. Women not having souls
"In the initial conference texts, the GHQ members were more
freely showing their true color and frequently referred to ISKCON women
as 'obnoxious', 'feminazis' and even as not having souls, to the 'ISKCON
Women's Ministry' as the 'ISKCON Whore Ministry' and to the 'International
Women's Conference' as the 'International Witches Conference.'"
We admit that in the earliest stage of GHQ there were
some instances of loose talk. But GHQ members very quickly realized that
this must cease, to prevent serious spiritual consequences to the speaker,
as well as for other reasons. Details of this follow (Article
22). The essential fact is that, of the
total 911 texts that comprised GHQ, a mere miniscule number of them contained
such terms. Thus, to characterize the GHQ members on the basis of less
than one percent of the total of texts is quite misleading and unjust.
Even in "Ardhabuddhi's Dasa's" expose, wherein "he" exhibits 49 texts,
very few contained objectionable language. Here are the facts:
Word
|
#of occurrences
|
#of times used as adjective
|
Obnoxious
|
2
|
2
|
Feminazi
|
5
|
1
|
Whore
|
1
|
1
|
Witches
|
0
|
0
|
Please note that "feminazi" is used as an adjective
only once. Any subsequent occurrence of this word is either a duplication
from another text or is an example of adjectives NOT
to be used. Again, throughout the 49 texts presented, this term
was used as an adjective only once, and it was soon banned from use. And
of the 49 texts, objectionable words are found in only four--we
repeat, only four!--texts.
Thus, even though "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" had (and still
has) all 911 GHQ texts, he can cite only the discrepancies shown above
(hardly a pattern of behavior; hardly anything to cause alarm or to warrant
punitive measures; especially considering the fact that GHQ members consensually
decided to stop using such words (as will be seen in Article
22). We again ask our respectable reader
to consider why "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" has so falsely presented the facts.
Next, we request you to consider the following
phrase used by "Ardhabuddhi Dasa": "referred to ISKCON women as..." The
glaring implication, of course, is that such adjectives were used to describe
all ISKCON women. But again, the truth is radically different. Certain
GHQ members used those terms to describe a very small but vociferous cult
of ISKCON feminists imbued with mayavadi tendencies who oppose the teachings
of Srila Prabhupada.
Such feminists portray GHQ's agenda as anti-woman
or misogynist, but this also is untrue. Just as many women support reestablishment
of Vedic culture, so also many men choose to side with radical feminists.
It is not a gender war, it is cultural conflict:
modern Western secular culture versus Vedic culture. GHQ has
many women supporters (see Section 2), and these women also sometimes use
the very same terms (some even coined by ladies) to describe these radical
women. Women are not always offended by words like "feminazi" (5.1)----which
is not to say that we advocate such language, but perhaps simply to say
that in the heat of anger or frustration, tempers flare, and poignant adjectives
may be spawned. In any case, GHQ was not incubating gender conflict, as
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" portrays.
In a similar vein, the text which states: "as not
having soul" refers strictly to feminists:
"I must admit although they appear to
be spirit souls likethose of us either wearing male
or female bodies, in actually they
have no soul."
The speaker says that others wearing female bodies
have souls but not feminists (and spoken in jest). However, "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa" has misapplied the statement to mean exactly the opposite of what
was said. And by now, we have seen texts on VNN and elsewhere, claiming
that GHQ believe "all women have no souls."
But obviously, that was not said. The comment was made jokingly, but also
to indicate his own experiences with certain insensitive females. Jaya
Tirtha Carana Prabhu has explained what he meant thusly:
"In short, there is a general understanding--among people who
are without motive to misinterpret my words--that to have 'no soul' simply
means to have no soft heart, no mercy, no sensitivity for others, etc.
It is an obvious figurative use of words that both parties of the private
discussion understood:
Please note that my comment refers both to men and women who
fit the mode of having "no soul." I repeat, IT IS NOT A SLUR AGAINST WOMEN,
as some are taking my words to mean."
This is quoted from his recent paper SATYAM EVA JAYATE: The Truth Will
Prevail and the gentle reader is requested to read it for further details.
Regarding the offhand nicknaming by one GHQ member
of IWC as "International Witches Conference," it is simply a game that
two parties may play. The former "Dharma of Women" (DOW) conference, for
example, was commonly called by Mother Prtha dd and others, "Down on Women,"
even though the then conference organizer, Mother Sita dd, is herself a
woman and even though many other women actively participate therein and/or
support its objectives. (See Section
2.)
Now, O gentle and patient reader (you must be patient
if you are still reading), please come with us to Section
7, which documents several typical cases
wherein certain ladies use disagreeable, offensive, and odious language
while speaking with or about those who want to follow Vedic culture in
ISKCON. You will see instances of Women's Ministry members and also one
sannyasi using pejorative, insulting, abusive, inflammatory terms––"sexist,"
"chauvinist," "narrow-minded," "semi-literate," "rabid fundamentalists,"
"amazingly stupid"––in letters to Jivan Mukta Prabhu and his wife Mother
Sita dd. (See also Section 3, in which ISKCON women who call themselves
"Generals" and "Privates" falsely accuse Jivan Mukta Dasa of beating his
wife.)
In a letter sent to them by Mother Madhusudani
Radha dd, one writer with apparent disdain, one calls Mother Sita dd a
sudrani : "Jivan Mukta Prabhu has gotten too much under the influence
of the teachings of his sudrani wife... as we know, sudras
are in the mode of ignorance…" Another insultingly calls all anti-mayavadi
(anti-feminist writings) "scholarship in the mode of ignorance."
Mother Varshana dd (HDG) claims that in the USA
the only women who agree to follow Vedic culture are foreigners, who are
not advanced like American women. She characterizes these non-American
devotees (Europeans, Latin Americans, Indian, etc.) as being insincere,
feigning chastity to get their "green cards." Is it that American women
devotees are so advanced that they no longer need to regularly attend to
their sadhana, unlike "inferior" foreign women who comprise the
majority of Vasinavis residing in temples and having strict sadhana
and trying to follow nari-dharma?
Many ISKCON feminists perceive The Dharma of Women
(now DMW) conference to be very dangerous and so often wage verbal assaults
upon it. Mother Påtha dd accused it of "Hinduizing" ISKCON–which
of course is deliberately meant to be an insult, as we normally understand
that Srila Prabhupada and the Gaudiya acaryas view Hinduism as a
corruption of Vedic culture. (See recent article in "Hinduism Today" on
this very point.)
Mother Mamata dd criticized GBC members as "dysfunctional
and unqualified, untrained leaders" with "dictatorial attitudes," who have
"been destroying Srila Prabhupada's movement for many, many years."
Also in this section we see that Mother Sita dd
wrote to HH Bir Krishna Goswami for clarification of a comment he had made
to the IWC conference. Maharaja promised to reply, but then rudely posted
the private exchange to IWC, along with an an introduction wherein he (a
supposed protector of women) publicly called her a sexist. When her husband,
Jivan Mukta Dasa, confronted Maharaja, demanding a public apology for the
public insult, Maharaja responded with an inadequate, perfunctory, private
apology. Nor did he reply to Jivan Mukta Dasa's subsequent letter.
Then there is the example from Section 6.1, wherein
Mother Madhusudani Radha dd is quoted hurling a string of insults at Basu
Ghosh Prabhu:
"over-zealous, arch conservative, backwards,
women-hating, oppressive people who give ISKCON a bad name"
She speaks this way to a Godbrother of her own guru,
one worthy of all the respect she would offer to her own Guru Maharaja.
(If Srila Prabhupada had ever heard any of his
disciples speak in this way to or about any of his Godbrothers, surely
it would have been a dark day for that devotee. But in these days, with
no compunction, very junior devotees insult seniors with nearly absolute
impunity. Considering that such impudence is suicidal to one's spiritual
life, and that the guru must absorb reaction for such offenses of his disciples,
we sincerely hope that initiating gurus of such offensive disciples will
take cognizance and appropriate action.)
Returning to the original point, we assume that
you agree that the tone of the speakers in Section
7 is highly disagreeable, offensive and
odious; nor would you desire to be a recipient of such insults. And, for
your edification, the dictionary meaning of the word "obnoxious" is: "highly
disagreeable, offensive, odious" (American Heritage Dictionary). Thus,
when feminists were described by one GHQ member as obnoxious, it was definitely
not an unfair description.
Regarding the term "feminazi," it is commonly used
in the USA to describe radical feminists. The meaning of "femi-" (feminist)
is apparent; the suffix "nazi" refers not only to obnoxious behavior but
also to underhanded and ruthless tactics. A modern ex-feminist author,
Camilla Paglia, calls the feminists "social-Stalinists," for similar reasons.
If one compares how the Nazis ruthlessly waged psychological warfare to
spread anti-Semitic disinformation through the Propaganda Ministry of Joseph
Goebbels, to how "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" has foisted upon the hapless devotees
a treatise of disinformation meant to create anti-GHQ sentiments in order
to illegally arrest GHQ's progress in preparing a proposal to the GBC,
then the term "feminazi" fits. (Please recall that GHQ's only purpose was
as a think tank for drafting a proposal to the GBC, due process for effecting
change in ISKCON.) Unfortunately, it is a very accurate description of
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" and company, who will break ISKCON laws and even state
laws (libel and slander) to achieve dubious ends.
So as to make sure there is no misunderstanding
the term "femi-nazi" was not a blanket description of ALL women
in ISKCON as "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" insinuated. The word is an apt description
of a very small group of militant, extremist, feminist activists within
ISKCON who have used all kinds on unfair tactics such as using Chakra (controlled
by feminists) as their "soap box", and BTG (see Article
25) and other ISKCON publication to push
their own agenda (which is contrary to Srila Prabhupada's teachings).
In regards to the term "whore" as in "International
Whore's Ministry" as opposed to "International Women's Ministry" as is
reproduced by "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" in the following text:
So, possibly we might also want to see,
if 100% dismantling the WM may prove too big a fight, what about pushing
to have it redefined in accordance with SP teachings, and headed up by
a very chaste Indian mataji, one whom anyone can relate to as mataji ?
?
That's a beginning. But regardless of who's involved,
it should be under the protection and guidance of the grhastha Ministry.
If woman has no independence, how can a group of women have independence?
A Prostitute Ministry would also be appropriate
considering the current state of affairs.
Actually, it could be called Whore Ministry so that the initials can remain
the same. In this way those big gun gurus, sannyasis and GBCs who enjoy
such association can do so without contaminating our daughters.
Ys. JMd
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" presents the texts trying to show
that Jivan Mukta Dasa regularly calls all women "whores" and "prostitutes"
for being divorced (see 4.23-25).
But that is not the case. Please note where JMd says: "A Prostitute Ministry
would also be appropriate considering the current
state of affairs." What "state of affairs" is that?
What Jivan Mukta Dasa is referring to here is the
fact that Mother Malati dd had been recently been made a probationary GBC.
He, and many others objected to this because Mother Malati dd has a very
dark history. She had deserted Srila Prabhupada as a disciple and been
out of the movement longer than many devotees have been in it. She became
a follower of Jiddu Krsnamurty (pakka mayavadi), and was a drug addict.
But what really upset him and others was that she had become a madam of
a high class whore house in New York. Thus the appellation "Whore Ministry."
The following texts provide the context for Jivan Mukta Dasa's statements:
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 98 11:35 -0400
From: "Jivan Mukta Dasa" <btb@georgian.net>
Reply-To: btb@georgian.net,
GHQ@com.bbt.se
To: "COM: GHQ" <GHQ@com.bbt.se>
Subject: Re: Madame Malati
Lines: 73
[Text 1762234 from COM]
Mother Sita dd writes to Mother Jayasri dd
>On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:30:12 -0400 (EDT)
Sita Devi Dasi <btb@georgian.net
writes:
Ok, glad to know it's you. I've been wanting
to ask you something for some time actually, since I spoke with you in
Toronto a few years ago, and never got the opportunity. You see, I remember
you having told me, if my memory serves me well, that Malati Devi had run
some type of whorehouse while she was out of the movement--I don't know
if it was before she took sannyasa or after. I mean no disrespect to Malati
herself nor do I wish my inquiry to seem as though
I question her spiritual status in Krsna consciousness nor do I feel her
past somehow impedes her ability to perform devotional service.
The reason it has been on my mind is related to her new GBC candidacy.
I thought you might be the right person to ask confidentially about this
and I am hoping you would be willing to clarify this for me.
Hoping all is well,
>Your servant, Sita dd
Mother Jayasri dd replies
>Hari bol Sita prabhu. Nice to hear from
you. As far as my talking about Malati's condition when she was gone I
must have been in some befitting context because it's not my habit. She
is too dear and I respect her very much. Anyway her past is no secret to
the devotees of the GBC connection but I must say she has no atmosphere
of her past fallen condition. She is very empowered by Srila Prabhupada
now. I must say that when she was fallen she was honest about it. She didn't
do it at or around the temple etc. She is not a luke warm person, preach
KC but do all nonsense. When she was out she lived in a fallen way and
now she is a great example of as pure of an endeavor as I have seen anyone
make. She selflessly does 25 hrs. worth of service and hardly even sleeps
or eat, which can be verified by the girls whom she lives with. I'm sure
your questions are not out of malice but her past is not generally a common
topic for me. If you want to know, contact her at Malati.ACBSP.@com.bbt.se
she I'm sure will tell you what ever you want to know. She is quite a humble
person.
>Hare Krsna Jayasri dasi
Jivan Mukta Dasa's comment
So now we know how to properly address
Malati: not Prabhu nor Mother or Mata but Madam. I don't feel that a protest
of *Vasinavi aparadha* is appropriate in this case. I
have never said nor is my intention the denial of this woman service in
Srila Prabhupada's movement. My only question is the constitution
of appropriate service.
A madam is not only a whore herself, but
she employs other young ladies (and/or men) in the sex trade. Even if she
has reformed herself, is it appropriate to elevate her to the position
of GBC? If Bhavananda, Kirtanananda, Bhagavan, etc. were to re-emerge repentant
for their past indiscretions, would we be willing to re-institute them
in their former leadership positions? For all I know, Madam Malati may
be a pure devotee right now. But that does not justify elevating her to
any position of public prominence as much as it would be unthinkable to
reinstate any of the above males as GBC's or let's say Murali Vadaka as
a teacher. Such actions are an insult to all those chaste women and responsible
men who have not only honourably fulfilled their prescribed duties but
have done so irrespective of the disruptions, pain and confusion caused
by these very same individuals. May I get your thoughts on this please.
I would like to see someone like Basu
Gosh Prabhu ask the GBC EC about their knowledge and feelings of her prostitution
ring. What do you think?
Ys. JMd
From: xyz
Date: 08-Oct-98 02:00
To: Shyamasundara (das) ACBSP
Subject: cat fights with women
------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Shyama Sundara Prabhu.
PAMHO.AGTSP.
I could not disagree with you more on
this. I am not interested in getting any law passd by the GBC nor lobby
for any resolutions. How can you trust these people who goof like that
and then we have to baby sit them to teach what SP taught? I can't waste
my life like that.
I didn't know what you wrote about Malati
on IIN. Her ex husband Shyamasundar told me last
year that just some five or six years back Malati was a madam arranging
girls for high class customers in a brothel house in, I think, New York
just before coming to Kirtanananda. I mean she had hit the bottom
of the pit. They couldn't find anyone better? What is the use of your trying
to hobnob with these men and lobbying for their support who have no discrimination
whatsoever.
Hari Bol.
YS xyz
(Text COM:) -----------------------------------------
[For newer devotees who may get confused, Srila Prabhupada
has two disciples named Shyamasundara Dasa. The first one was a GBC and
was married to Mother Malati dd. The second is a famous astrologer and
a member of GHQ. To make things even more confusing many initiating gurus
in ISKCON have got disciples named Shyamasundara Dasa.]
It should be stressed that
no one doubts that Mother Malati dd is a devotee nor is it suggested that
she should be denied service. What is upsetting is the kind of service
she is doing. The GBC already has credibility problems why make it worse
by appointing her?
The radical feminist members of the IWM and IWC
accuse GHQ members of gratuitously calling all divorced women prostitutes.
This is simply not true.
"This is not to say that I advocate divorce.
In my practice I never do such a thing. What I am advocating is taking
a long view of the situation and getting the right perspective, and being
careful not to alienate someone who is actually an ally simply because
of a past marital fiasco. Remember, even though the vast majority of ISKCON
devotees have had divorces they still support divorceless marriage as the
ideal, they just didn't have the ways or means of achieving that goal.
Our task should be on providing such ways and means so that the next wave
that hits the beachheads will have fewer casualties." (4.23)
Please refer to 4.23-25
for the whole series of texts on this sensitive issue.
For other examples of harsh language used by the
feminists please see Sections
3 and 11.
22. Only tactical and cosmetic
"In later texts, the men appear to
have realized that by showing their true feelings so openly on the conference,
they may also later inadvertently slip up and use these offensive labels
in public. They therefore devised a system of referring to their opponents
either as "purvapakshins" or by their initials only. Since this change
was only tactical and cosmetic, it appears clear that we can not take seriously
any claims made by these men that they are interested in bringing back
"Vedic culture" to ISKCON."
Let us carefully consider why "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" would conclude as above.
First, he suggests that GHQ members were totally insincere in our decision
to temper or eliminate poignant adjectives from our exchanges. He speculates
that this was a calculated strategy merely for gaining political advantage----so
as not to commitfaux pas in public. He suggests that we have no understanding
of Vedic culture or fear ofVaisnava-aparadha. The underlying reason for
this, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" says, is because at heart "our true feelings"
are better described by those few poignant adjectives discussed above.
Again, the fact is that we realized those descriptions to be contrary to
our sincere purposes and so renounced them.
Through that one paragraph, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" attempts to solidify
revulsion toward the members of GHQ, even though an unbiased reader would
otherwise naturally understand that GHQ members had decided to not speak
disparagingly of the purvapaksins. These texts indicating GHQ's desire
to remain gentlemen, claims "Ardhabuddhi Dasa," mean exactly the opposite.
Now again, we request our reader's attention upon Section
5 (and also Section 1.2),
which provides many exculpatory texts in full context (not slices) over
a long span of time. These texts show the actual reason why we decided
to refine our manner of speech on GHQ. Now, you might wonder why "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa" omitted these exculpatory texts from his presentation. And why does
he show only bits and pieces reassembled into a "Frankenstein monster,"
with no resemblance to the truth? In Kali-yuga, the last vestige of dharma
is truthfulness, yet here again "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" demonstrates his unconscienable
tactic to despoil truth and thus deceive the entire assemblage of ISKCON
devotees. But why?
Before showing you direct quotes, we'll now simply
state the actual reasons that we became concerned about our choice of language:
-
Anger clouds the mind of the angry party.
-
An angry state of mind leads to Vaisnava-aparadha,
which destroys one's spiritual life.
-
Our mission was to present a proposal not to feminists
but to the GBC; thus we wanted to establish a high, philosophical platform
of logic and reason and avoid destructive emotions.
One fact is that well before the GHQ conference was
formed (September, 28, 1998), many members had exchanged e-mail expressing
their concern that use of poignant adjectives would be dangerous for our
own spiritual lives. The following quotes (except the first) are from texts
exchanged before GHQ was formally created (later forwarded to GHQ). They
show our desire to keep discussions on the philosophical level. (For full
texts see Section
5.)
"There is a lot to be angry about, it
is difficult to see the philosophy twisted by junior devotees. But simply
to be angry is not enough. Anger begets anger. There will not be understanding
through anger so I decided to drop it of my own accord."
"From my experience, Malati Mataji is a very nice, humble and
sincere devotee. Not an anti male chauvinist pig type. Could be entered
into dialog with. I feel that the GHQ presentation should be high on reasoned
argument and sastric quotes, and low on verbiage and invective…Never insinuate
that the opposite party are not devotees or bring their sincerity into
question."
"Why should it degenerate into a scrap? But yes, ad hominem
attack must be avoided & philosophy and the issues must be kept 'up
front'."
Contrary to the accusation of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa,"
the following indicates that several days before the official formation
of the GHQ conference, Shyamasundara Dasa had suggested using the term
purvapaksin . For a definition of purvapaksin, see Text 5.10.
It indicates high respect, actually, and is used in Vedantic circles----as
a borrowing from the Nyaya school----to refer to those who hold a view
different from one's own. This letter also shows that GHQ members were
fearful of Vaisnava-aparadha, did not consider their opponents as
enemies, and realized the necessity to maintain decorum for edification
of their own Krsna consciousness:
"It is easy for me to get caught up in
anger and its offspring. (Perhaps others have a similar problem?) So I
will need you to keep me from falling into Vaisnava aparadha. That is why
it will be important for devotees like BVS to read our material before
it is presented. For a start we should simply call the other side "our
opponents" or use the Sanskrit term "purvapashin", that is, those who present
the antithesis. That will help to keep us more dignified. They
are not our enemies, after all, when this is over we will have to
work with them."
"So as you say we have to do our utmost to keep this at a high
level…Aside from that, taking the high road will be good for our own consciousness."
The following quotes are from texts posted after GHQ
was formed. Here one can see that the members are still concerned to avoid
degenerating speech, although "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" would have the reader
believe the opposite.
"Maharaja made some good points about
not descending into the cat fight mode of the women. Thus we should not
address them as "feminazis" as it may slip out and the term is inflammatory
to them as well as to us (makes us more angry). Similarly, even though
I coined the name "Mad Radha" we should not use it in this forum just so
that we discipline our own minds against the raja & tama guna."
The Women's Ministry suggests that we used initials
(instead of names) and the term purvapakshin as means to tactfully
conceal our insincere, demonic intents. We have already explained purvapaksin.
The following quote explains the real reason we used initials, not only
for the purvapaksins but for ourselves also:
"Suggestion to use abbreviations for names
that will often be repeated in our discussions. I offer the following simple
beginning list:
(We already have MR)
R-Radha dd (MG)
P-Pranada dd
S-Sudharma dd
V-Visakha dd
J-Jyotirmayi dd
Maybe we use 2 letters for our own names (?)"
The suggestion to use initials rather than full names
was simply to save time and energy by not having to constantly write out
the names of authors of various treatises and proposals that were being
discussed frequently on GHQ. Just as some write "SP" for Srila Prabhhupada,
one member suggested the above list of abbreviations for the sake of expediency.
It was simply to save time----not for some devilish reason, as portrayed
by "Ardhabuddhi Dasa."
As humans err, we did not always follow our own
guidelines, but if one of us would stray, another would point out the error
to preserve our intended focus:
"I humbly submit and agree that we DO
need to keep cool-headed at all times. If we are
not careful to avoid Vaisnava-apradha, then we are likely to be destroyed
in our attempts to cause positive reform in ISKCON. We cannot afford
to lose our few fighting soldiers to the clutches of *maya*
in the form of unnecessary, exaggerated, blanket, or false criticism of
the purvapakshins… To that end, I humbly submit that we remain very
CAREFUL to avoid Vaisnava-apradha and unecessary criticisms and unecessary
entanglements with the purvapkshins, all of which
will cause havoc or destruction to our own spiritual lives."
"I suggest that we gain victory on this issue without the need
of personal criticism. We should benefit ourselves by sharing our realizations
in sastra and Prabhupada's behavior and words."
"But IMHO we ought to keep it as gentlemanly as possible (guess
I'm preaching to myself here as much as to you!) Malati is doing 1000 times
more service for ISKCON than *** (who is doing precious NOTHING) &***,
etc. Seems to me that Srila Prabhupada would've taken cognizance of that
- I speak with reference to the actual history."
23. Art of deception
"Some of the conference members appear
to be very skilled in the art of deception. For example, Vidvan Gauranga
writes (in response to a question of whether he feels up to debating Sudharma
and Pranada of the women's ministry): "No I am not afraid of being intimidated.
I am just playing the same game they are playing. They try to get support
by saying "Ah! we are called feminazis!" etc. So I am also crying out,
"Ah! I am called a woman-hater!"
We see nothing wrong in what Vidvan Gauranga Dasa has done. He is correct
in his observation, and there is no deception. He simply states the facts.
(For an example of abusive language used by certain of our dear mothers,
please see Section
7.) Ironically it is "Ardhabuddhi Dasa"
who has embarked upon a rather comprehensive exercise in misinformation
and deception. And ironic it is indeed that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" himself
is soon to be exposed in his conspiratorial efforts to expose the so-called
"GHQ Conspiracy."
24. Earl of Chesterfield
"Although the GHQ members typically
insist that opponents always quote sastra, they seem to hold themselves
to a somewhat lower standard: Shyamasundara wrote:
"A man of sense only trifles with them [women], plays with
them, humors and flatters them, as he does with a sprightly and forward
child; but he neither consults them about, nor trusts them with, serious
matters." Earl of Chesterfield.
To which Vidvan Gauranga replied:
"Good stuff. Bhaktividya Purna Maharaja told me the same thing."
And these are the same men who are currently bashing their
opponents all over COM for even daring to use "logic and common sense"
if this process does not involve quoting sastra.
Here again "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" presents a false image
of GHQ members. He suggests that we "insist" that the promulgators of the
feminist heresy support their position with sastra (which they are
unable to do), while we ourselves avoid sastra and instead employ
secular literature as our epistemology. To prove this, they cite some quotes
posted to the GHQ forum from various authors throughout history, ranging
from the Greeks and Romans to contemporary authors. These authors give
their own observations on women as acquired from experience (pratyaksa
pramana). "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" suggests that it is hypocritical for GHQ
members to dovetail such secular references for our purposes while insisiting
that the purvapaksins usesastra to support their conclusions.
This is simply another incorrect appraisal of the actual case.
Not once on GHQ was it ever suggested that the
views of secular authors could become our pramana, or textual epistemology.
Nor can "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" demonstrate that but is simply making false
accusations to further tar and feather GHQ.
By claiming as he has above, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa"
fails to employ the "logic and common sense" which he defends; for GHQ
members never based our arguments upon such mundane quotes-----all arguments
were based on sound sastra. The above quote simply confirms what
is already stated in sastra. Sastra presents the truth, and
the Earl of Chesterfield has restated that truth as obvious. Srila Prabhupada
also says that women are like children:
"As for behavior, there are many rules
and regulations guiding human behavior, such as the Manu-samhita,
which is the law of the human race. Even up to today, those who are Hindu
follow the Manu-samhita. Laws of inheritance and other legalities
are derived from this book. Now, in the Manu-samhita it is clearly
stated that a woman should not be given freedom. That does not mean that
women are to be kept as slaves, but they are like
children. Children are not given freedom, but that does not mean
that they are kept as slaves." BG 16.7p
And Srila Prabhupada in a Lecture on TLC at Bombay 17-3-71:
"Prabhupada: These are all imagination.
When woman, when she is misguided, she becomes dangerous. There is no question
of love. But one thing, according to Vedic conception life, that
women and children are on the same level, so they should be given
protection by men. In childhood the protection is from the father, in youthhood
the protection is from the husband, and in old age the protection is from
the grown-up sons. So they should never be given independence. They should
be given protection, and their natural love for father or for husband or
for children, then that propensity will grow very smoothly, and that will
establish the relationship with woman and man very happy, and both of them
will be able to execute their real function, spiritual life, by cooperation.
The woman is known as his better half, so if she looks after the comfort
of the man, a man is working and he is looking after the comfort, then
both will be satisfied and their spiritual life will progress. Woman is
meant for certain duties; man is meant for... Man is meant for hard working,
and woman is meant for homely comfort, love. So both of them, if they are
situated in their respective duties under proper training, then this combination
of man and woman will help both of them to make progress in spiritual life."
Women were like children at the time of the Manu-samhita;
they were like children during the days of the Romans and Greeks; they
were still like children during Lord Chesterfield's day; nor have they
changed since the time Srila Prabhupada wrote those words, nor will the
situation change throughout eternity.
So if Lord Chesterfield says that woman are like
children, does it somehow become a falsehood? No. He has stated a fact
which has been true and observed since eternity. Similarly, cow dung is
pure, whether stated in sastra or confirmed by professor Bose in
his laboratory. It is not pure because professor Bose declares it so; he
has simply confirmed that which is already fact.
In any case, the important point is that GHQ members
do not employ secular authors as our pramana, nor do we depend on
faulty logic or common sense. We perceive reality through sastra caksus,
the eye of the sastra. This is the way of the Vaisnava brahmanas,
the followers of Vedic culture. Although we would never accept secular
authors as pramana, still there is no harm to recognize others who
have realized the very same truths and thus simply reconfirm the sastras
. Therefore, let us reaffirm: Our authority
is sastra, not secular authors.
Srila Prabhupada himself would sometimes cite a
secular author (like Shakespeare) to illustrate a sastric point. That point
is true not because Shakespeare said it, but because the sastras
affirm it. Here is an example of Prabhupada citing Shakespeare. Please
note that Srila Prabhupada does not imply that Shakespeare is an authority
above sastra:
"I think there is
a line in Shakespeare's literature, "The lunatic, mad, and the poet" or
something like that, "all compact in thought." [The actual reference is
A Midsummer Night's Dream, Act V, Scene I: "The lunatic, the lover, and
the poet, are of imagination all compact."]. So a madman and a atma-rati
person, self-satisfied man, outwardly, you will find there is no difference,
but inwardly, oh, there is vast difference. (Lecture: Bg3.1-5, LA,
December 20, 1968)
Considering the apparently deceitful, vindictive,
and cowardly actions of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa," who is acting to defend the
Women's Ministry in his article Conspiracy To Terminate The ISKCON Women's
Ministry, we would like to share with you a stanza by Rudyard Kipling
which penetrates to the heart of the matter:
"When the Himalayan peasant meets the
he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male."
Female of the Species by Rudyard Kipling
This observation by the famous secular poet is a confirmation
of the eternal truths given to us by Maharsi Vedavyasa in the following
verse of his Srimad-Bhagavatam and also by Srila Prabhupada in his
purport:
"Urvasi said: My dear King, you are a
man, a hero. Don't be impatient and give up your life. Be sober and don't
allow the senses to overcome you like foxes. Don't let the foxes eat you.
In other words, you should not be controlled by your senses. Rather,
you should know that the heart of a woman is like that of a fox.
There is no use making friendship with women.
PURPORT
"Canakya Pandita has advised, visvaso naiva kartavyah strisu
raja-kulesu ca: 'Never place your faith in a woman or a politician.'
Unless elevated to spiritual consciousness, everyone is conditioned and
fallen, what to speak of women, who are less intelligent than men. Women
have been compared to sudras and vaisyas (striyo vaisyas tatha
sudrah). On the spiritual platform, however, when one is elevated to
the platform of Krsna consciousness, whether one is a man, woman, sudra
or whatever, everyone is equal. Otherwise, Urvasi,
who was a woman herself and who knew the nature of women, said that a woman's
heart is like that of a sly fox. If a man cannot control his senses,
he becomes a victim of such sly foxes. But if one can control the senses,
there is no chance of his being victimized by sly, fox-like women. Canakya
Pandita has also advised that if one has a wife like a sly fox, he must
immediately give up his life at home and go to the forest.
mata yasya grhe nasti
bharya capriya-vadini
aranyam tena gantavyam
yatharanyam tatha grham
(Canakya-sloka 57)
"Krsna conscious grhasthas must
be very careful of the sly fox woman. If the wife at home is obedient and
follows her husband in Krsna consciousness, the home is welcome. Otherwise
one should give up one's home and go to the forest.
hitvatma-patam grham andha-kupam
vanam gato yad dharim asrayeta
(Bhag. 7.5.5)
"One should go to the forest and take shelter of the lotus
feet of Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
SB 9.14.37
We should like to point out that in his purport, Srila
Prabhupada has quoted Canakya Pandita, who may be seen as a secular author,
in that he was not a rsi. However, his writings in no way contradict
the Vedas but rather support Vedic conclusions (a literature in pursuance
of the Vedic version). Srila Prabhupada was quite fond of Canakya Pandita's
teachings, since they were of highly practical value.
Our ISKCON feminists are fond of declaring that
because they are "devotees," the negative depiction of women given by Srila
Prabhupada does not apply to them as it would to ordinary women. But is
this true? In his purport, Srila Prabhupada specifically says "Krsna conscious
grhasthas must be very careful of the sly fox woman." This directly
means that there may be women who associate with devotees (for example,
a wife who associates with her devotee husband, or other women who associate
with ISKCON devotees) who are "sly fox women." They may call themselves
devotees, but do their actions reflect those of devotees?
We should like to very carefully point out and
bring to your full attention that we are not in any way, shape, or form
labeling all women in ISKCON, or in society in general as "sly foxes."
It has been the consistent tactic of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" to say that we
are making blanket statements about ALL women, but that is not so.
Anyone who accuses us of this is wrong and would be doing so only for the
sake of sloganeering and spreading disinformation about us in the attempt
to stir up hatred and animosity toward us. We are focusing our attention
on a very small minority, the kind that support mayavad philosophy in the
form of feminism, stri sämyavad. We know that that are many
women in ISKCON who are sincerely trying to follow the orders of Srila
Prabhupada as enunciated in his books regarding nari-dharma, a few
examples of such glorious and worshipable women can be found in Section
2 of the Appendices.
Having said that we have to wonder about the Women's
Ministry and it supporters of whom "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" is most definitely
one. Let us not forget that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" wrote Conspiracy To Terminate
The ISKCON Women's Ministry; this strongly suggests that "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa" is intimately associated with the Women's Ministry. Otherwise, why
would somebody "leak" the information to "him" (as "he" claims) and why
would "he" go to the trouble of writing such a long paper? While the identity(ies)
and gender(s) of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" is hidden behind the cloak of a pseudonym
(we don't know if it is one person or several, or what their genders are)
the actions of this person are well known. We have demonstrated beyond
a shadow of a doubt that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" action are characterized
by distortion of the truth, half-truths, misleading statements, disinformation
and other tricks of an expert prevaricator. The fact that "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa" has chosen to hide behind anonymity again suggests the "sly fox"
mentality. "He" has hidden his identity because "he" knew that the truth
would eventually come out and "he" would be known as a "sly fox."
If this is the kind of behavior the people in the
Women's Ministry find acceptable, it indicates a lack of integrity and
character, and we wonder if those are the kind of people we would want
to have involved in our governing body.
All in all, this attempt by "Ardhabuddhi Dasa"
and associates to cast aspersions on the members of GHQ because of quoting
a few secular authors is simply another ingredient in their colossal fabrication
of the "GHQ Conspiracy" scandal.
25. Conspiracy
In previous articles herein, we have alluded to a
conspiracy by ISKCON feminists. That was said not simply to create a diversionary
smoke screen, for there is reason to believe that members of the Women's
Ministry and/or the International Women's Conference and their supporters
were directly involved in a conspiracy, as defined in the standard dictionary.
Conversely, the accusation of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" that GHQ was involved
in a conspiracy is inaccurate and purposely inflammatory.
conspiracy, n., 1. An agreement to perform together
an illegal, treacherous, or evil act. 2. A combining or acting together,
as if by evil design: a conspiracy of natural forces. 3. Law.
An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or to accomplish
a legal purpose through illegal action. (American Heritage Dictionary)
As mentioned previously, the purpose of GHQ was stated
succinctly by Basu Ghosh Prabhu on September 24, 1998:
"As I understand it Maharaja, GHQ is going to be a think tank
with the mandate to prepare a paper with proposals to the GBC to check
apasiddhanta in the form of 'feminism' in ISKCON."
To submit recommendations to the GBC is actually due
process for effecting change in ISKCON. GHQ was not planning a coup d'etat,
or violent revolution, or assassinations of GBC members, or any such similar
nefarious plot with intentions to impose its will against the GBC! GHQ
was a think tank, with the specific mandate to research and compile a philosophical
treatise for addressing a particular apasiddhanta within the very heart
of ISKCON. During their upcoming meetings in Mayapura, the GBC would then
be free either to accept or reject our proposals (having given due consideration
to the merits of our philosophical propositions). And certainly also the
proponents of secular feminism would have equal opportunity to rebut our
presentation, per the pramana of guru-sadhu-sastra. That is the authorized
way of debate among Vaisnava brahmanas. And it is the parliamentary procedure
adopted by our GBC.
But before that opportunity for due hearing of
GHQ's proposals had transpired, its objective was subverted by "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa." Furthermore, an attempt continues to thwart and suppress our duty
to participate in the decision-making process of the GBC. Rather than support
the feminist position by lawfully presenting philosophical theses, our
opponents "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" and cohorts, aware that their position has
no sound merit and is philosophically indefensible, resorted to base, unethical,
dirty tricks, by unlawfully conspiring to nullify our efforts. If this
action of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" goes unchecked, then the very basis of ISKCON
government is seriously threatened. Rather than being governed by philosophy
based on guru-sadhu-sastra and the rule of law, the GBC may well become
influenced by conspiracy, psychological manipulation, vox populi, mob mentality,
and secular theories. If ISKCON wishes to usher in a golden age of 10,000
years, it must adhere to the former and reject the latter.
At this time, we do not know exactly how the private
texts of GHQ were procured by "Ardhabuddhi Dasa." We do know however that,
supplied with those texts, "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" then compiled "Conspiracy
to Terminate ISKCON Women's Ministry." This "Conspiracy" file was then
sent to VNN, an anti-ISKCON website.
"Ardhabuddhi Dasa" has stated:
"Before the conference went off the air,
one of its members had second thoughts. Although he agreed with many of
the traditional views expressed by the others, he found their modus operandum
to be distasteful and therefore decided to share the plans with Vaisnavas
and Vaisnavis worldwide. Although we will respect his wish to remain anonymous,
we greatly appreciate the courage he showed by sharing these texts with
us."
If this is true, then it takes little stretch of the
imagination to suppose that the alleged defector (or could it be the sysops?)
would submit the texts to the party against whom GHQ was supposedly conspiring.
Considering that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" has chosen to title his expose "Conspiracy
to Terminate The ISKCON Women's Ministry," we need not wonder to whom the
defector would likely leak the texts.
By now, we have scrutinizingly analyzed and elaborately
demonstrated that this expose by the feminists is essentially a weapon
in their unethical campaign to besmirch the members of GHQ. Having no basis
in Krsna conscious philosophy, they have resorted to this measure out of
desperation.
Since the release of "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" expose,
on November 18, members and ardent supporters of the Women's Ministry have
remained silent while profuse, terrible, false accusations were waged against
GHQ members--based wholly upon the misinformation contained in "Ardhabuddhi's"
expose. And mob mentality was conjured by the professional manipulators
(psychologists), as can be seen in text 13.7
(where devotees are urged to "hang" other devotees). Although we understand
that statement to be metaphorical, nevertheless there have been cases of
devotees threatening physical violence upon each other in relation to the
"GHQ Conspiracy." All this cyber-lynching was based on totally false information.
It would appear that the person(s) behind "Ardhabuddhi Dasa's" article
was also in possession of the exculpatory texts bearing the actual truth.
We trust that, having read those texts, our respected readers now hold
a much more favorable view as to the purposes and intentions of GHQ.
For someone to possess exculpatory texts yet allow
innocent devotees to be abused on the basis of falsehood would be a malicious
sin of omission. Worse still, is that he would then be indirectly responsible
(first by publishing the conspiracy expose, and further by holding silent)
for hundreds of Vaisnava-aparadhas. In Kali-yuga, the last vestige of dharma
is truthfulness. We therefore are distressed and aggrieved at heart, knowing
that devotees have fostered an atmosphere wherein half-truths and outright
lies are paraded as facts. It is indeed disturbing to consider what the
future of ISKCON will be if criminal expediency is the chosen method for
defeating philosophical opposition. Has attainment of power at any cost
now become a supposed virtue? Or is it now commendable to mock those who
humbly try to follow Vedic culture?
As per ISKCON Law, an ISKCON devotee may be censured
for "Acting irresponsibly in publicly expressing grievances rather than
taking recourse to the prescribed process for settling grievances as per
ISKCON Law." We therefore officially request that a special GBC commission
be formed to investigate the identity of the devotee behind "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa's" VNN article and then apply appropriate disciplinary measures to
that individual.
We should also mention that the IWM COM conference
has now become hidden from the devotee public (as can be seen in Section
13.3, which shows the "Status" for that conference.) Please also note
that membership of Mother Sudharma dd, organizer of the conference, also
is not registered. This indicates that the conference is now fully cloaked
in secrecy.
We now humbly direct our reader's attention to
Section 13.4, which contains the top few lines
of the "Status" of the International Women's Conference (IWC). Here we
see a direct connection between the Women's Ministry and the IWC. Mother
Hariballabha dd is one of the organizers of the International Women's Conference
and is also a member of the Women's Ministry Conference (IWC's other organizer,
Madhusudani Radha dd, has refused to answer queries of whether or not she
was involved in the VNN expose). And it is a fact that almost all members
of the Women's Ministry are also members of the International Women's Conference.
Since the two organizations are so intimately connected, it is highly likely
that "Ardhabuddhi Dasa" is connected with them.
Nor did it end there...
It appears that other players joined in for further
chicanery. We direct the gentle reader's attention to Section 13.5-13.6.
This text seems to indicate that HH Mukunda Goswami and the BTG Editorial
Board were also involved.
You may note that in 13.6,
Mother Sudharma dd states that Mukunda Goswami (and several other men)
is part of the Women's Ministry (though not a member of IWM Conference
on COM, which is for women only). Now please turn to text 13.5,
focusing especially on the first long paragraph after the salutations:
"Some of ISKCON's leaders and members
have apparently been making extreme statements about the women in our movement.
For those of you who may have already seen some of these statements, please
forgive the redundancy. It appears that some of these declarations have
become part of the public record via internet. Postings and other information
indicate that these are not just a handful of disgruntled individuals,
rather there appears to be a cabal, a group of conspirators engaging in
a pseudo-military-styled strategy that aims to ill-name, misrepresent,
exploit and minimize a section of our society. This crosses the line of
vaisnava etiquette, to say the least. We are have
information that certain parties have given these statements to the anti-cult
movement. Therefore, as leaders of ISKCON, we should be prepared to take
appropriate steps to publicly condemn such positioning and language, lest
these be considered collectively to be (God forbid!) ISKCON's 'official'
position."
Very neat: Create a public
relations problem in order to destroy your opponents.
We do not know exactly from which COM conferences
Maharaja extracted the nine or ten sample texts that he provides. Other
than the very last one, none were from the GHQ forum. No doubt they were
prompted by "Ardhabuddhi's" misleading and prejudicial expose, posted on
VNN.
Let us now consider the second to last paragraph.
But first note that, according to Text 13.1
and 13.2, both Mother Visakha dd and Mother
Pranada dd are members of the Women's Ministry (regarding Mother Pranada
dd, see also 4.11-4.12).
"By way of contrast, the following article,
which was started several weeks ago and was put on the COM BTG staff conference
on Tuesday, 17 November 1998, is scholarly and civilized. Although it is
not customary for the entire GBC to review a BTG article before publication,
I thought this could be an exception. In fact it was Visakha prabhu, the
author, who originally requested just such a review. BTG's editor-and-chief,
Nagaraja dasa agrees and welcomes your comments. We request, however, that
every GBC member give a "yea" or "nay" to BTG publishing this article in
the usual "generally in favor" or "generally opposed" style of straw voting.
We need your response by 29 November, 1998."
In this paragraph, Mukunda Maharaja suggested that
an article by Mother Visakha dd on this subject be given the stamp of GBC
approval before being published. And he admits that it is not customary
for the GBC to do this. ("Coincidentally," the article was submitted to
the BTG Editorial conference on the very day before the GHQ expose
was sent to VNN.)
We do not wish to jump to conclusions, but something
doesn't seem right. It seems plausible that the above "coincidence" is
the continuation of a conspiracy to sabotage GHQ's efforts for presenting
a proposal to the GBC. Why do we say this? First, it would seem that it
was not a coincidence that Mother Visakha dd was working on this paper.
Please consider that Mother Visakha dd is a member of the Women's Ministry
and as such would have been in possession of the large number of texts
that were suddenly sent to the Women's Ministry, texts which appear to
have originated from GHQ. She then would have had these texts for a long
time. Her paper certainly appears to be a preemptive strike against GHQ.
(We should also note that she is an associate editor of BTG, as is Mukunda
Goswami.) It certainly appears that this is not serendipity—but rather
fully deliberate. We also note that the treasurer of the Women's Ministry,
Mother Pranada dd, is also the wife of BTG's editor-in-chief, Nagaraja
Prabhu. This is a very curious concatenation of personnel: Mukunda Goswami
and Mother Visakha dd, both members of the Women's Ministry and associate
editors of BTG; Mother Pranada dd, treasurer of the Women's Ministry; and
her husband, editor-in-chief of BTG. Is there "something rotten in the
state of Denmark?" It could all very well be innocent and have a logical
explanation. But it certainly doesn't seem that way.
It is all very curious:
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According to "Ardhabuddhi dasa": "Before the conference
went off the air, one of its members had second thoughts. Although he agreed
with many of the traditional views expressed by the others, he found their
modus operandum to be distasteful and therefore decided to share the plans
with Vaisnavas and Vaisnavis worldwide."
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Who did he share those "plans" with?
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It just so happens that between the time the GHQ forum
is started and the time "Ardhabuddhi's Dasa's" article is published, 876
new texts appear on the Women's Ministry Conference----a 50-fold increase
in the amount of texts that it usually gets.
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What is the nature of these texts?
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On November 17, 1998, Mother Vishaka dd, a member
of the Women's Ministry and a BTG editor, submits an article on women's
issues (Krishna Consciousness and Women. How may Krishna Consciousness
women serve the Lord? Can they be leaders in His spiritual society?)
to the BTG editors.
-
The very next day (November, 18,1978) "Ardhabuddhi
Dasa's" expose entitled Conspiracy To Terminate The ISKCON Women's Ministry,
appears on VNN.
-
A merciless avalanche of abuse and character assassination
is piled upon the members of GHQ via COM forums and in the feminist controlled
media, especially Chakra. Untold Vaisnava-aparadhas are made. Physical
violence is threatened.
-
On November 22, HH Mukunda Swami ( a member of the
Women's Ministry and BTG editor) writes a letter to the GBC, asking them
for their imprimatur on Mother Vishaka's dd article, as well as suggesting
that leaders of ISKCON, "publicly condemn
such positioning and language" (meaning GHQ and it's agenda).
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Who gave HH Mukunda Maharaja the 10 texts he uses
as examples?
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On or about November 27, 1998, Mukunda Goswami's letter
and Mother Vishaka's article are sent to GHQ by a person who thought that
the entire affair was very one-sided and highly suspicious, to say the
least.
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Then the NA GBC Executive Committee apparently censures
the GHQ members. It should be noted that all members of this committee
are members of the Women's Ministry.
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Shortly there after the GBCEC follows suit.
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Neither the NA GBC or International GBC Executive
Committees thought it necessary to communicate with active members of GHQ
to find out their side of the story before censuring GHQ and its agenda.
It appears to us that the entire "GHQ Conspiracy"
affair has been fully orchestrated from the very beginning: Crucify GHQ
in the media by falsely representing it and its philosophy, then have the
GBC stamp its approval of the feminist position. Very neat. No troublesome
philosophical debates which you are sure to lose. Simply paint your opponent
black so that any philosophical position he espouses "must be false,"
thus making your own position correct by default.
And then of course, there is CHAKRA. (For your
information, CHAKRA is owned (see 8.1) and funded
by none other than Mother Madhusudani Radha dd, who, as you can see from
Text 13.4, is the organizer of the IWC. It should be no surprise that CHAKRA
has unceasingly blasted GHQ. Although CHAKRA claims to be an ISKCON-friendly
website, CHAKRA has proven to be a feminist promoting website.
And while not directly involved in this conspiracy
yet, Hare Krsna World is overseen by Mukunda Goswami as the Executive
Editor and is also a feminist-propaganda machine. (See 12.2.)
We have outlined a very plausible scenario, that
there was in fact a conspiracy----not a conspiracy by GHQ, but by the Women's
Ministry and affiliates----to sabotage the lawful proceedings of the GHQ
think tank, by publishing highly prejudicial disinformation about GHQ and
its membership, amounting to merciless character assassination. With all
the humility at our disposal, we request the GBC to form an independent
committee to investigate this matter.
Even more urgently, we humbly request that the
GBC create a special panel to research the matter of the feminist heresy.
As we have seen, feminism has a corrosive effect on anything it touches.
To resolve the matter in a Vaisnava-brahminical way, both sides should
be cordially invited to present treatises to be referred to the GBC for
its most philosophically correct decision on the matter.
Before closing we would like to share an observation
with our gentle readers on something we see happening in ISKCON. We note
that many of the individuals involved with feminism in ISKCON are also
part of HH Mukunda Maharaja's Communications Ministry: Maharaja himself,
Anuttama Prabhu, Mother Sudharma dd, Mother Madhusudani Radha dd, Mother
Radha dd, and Saunaka Rsi Prabhu, as can be seen from the following COM
status (although Mukunda Maharaja is not included in this status it is
well known that he is the global director and GBC for this project):
Name: ICNA (ISKCON
Communications North America)
Number: Conference 2925
Type: Private, Only Members, Files
Netmail address: ICNA@com.bbt.se
Created by: Dharmaraja (das) HKS
Created on: 09-Mar-97
Organizer: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill
Valley - USA)
No of texts: 140
No of members: 12
Downloads: Yes Uploads: Yes
Text expiration time: Default
Maximum Size of Forwarded Files: 0 KBytes
ICNA (ISKCON Communications North America) has the following members:
Unseen Last present * Name
0 12-Jan-99 Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America)
0 13-Jan-99 Dayananda (das) ACBSP (26 2nd Av., New York - USA)
0 13-Jan-99 Devakinandan (das) ACBSP (Bombay - IN)
0 13-Jan-99 Hari Kirtan (das) SDG
0 13-Jan-99 Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS
(Mill Valley - USA)
0 13-Jan-99 Nandi Mukhi (dd) SDG
0 13-Jan-99 Parijata (dd) RNS (IC Mumbai - IN)
40 05-Jul-98 Premananda (das) NRS (Boston, MA - USA)
0 13-Jan-99 Radha (dd) MG (New Vrindavan
- USA)
0 13-Jan-99 Radha Seva (dd) NRS (Moscow - R)
0 12-Jan-99 Saunaka Rsi (das) SDG (IC)
(Ireland)
0 13-Jan-99 Sudharma (dd) ACBSP (Alachua
- USA)
These devotees are primarily involved in Public Relations,
which means being concerned with how the public perceives and reacts to
ISKCON. This is a very important service which should not be underestimated.
Having said, that we should also understand that there are inherent dangers
to this service; we may become so concerned with what the public thinks
that we forget that the public is in maya and that practically everything
that the mainstream finds acceptable is simply materialistic and in some
cases downright demonic(e.g. animal slaughter and abortion). If we become
too concerned looking outward and seeing how people react to us and then
adjusting our behavior to please them we risk seriously compromising our
philosophy. This has already happened in the case of feminism, which is
now popular in secular society. And so it appears (to avoid secular criticism)
that Mukunda Goswami and his followers want us to retrench our philosophy
in regard to feminism so as to be in line with the relative values of contemporary,
secular, Western culture. This is an egregious error. And while we don't
want to unnecessarily snub society for trivial things, still we must not
compromise the Vedic values given to us by the acaryas. To be overly
concerned what with what other people think is an arch-typical feminine
trait. (One need only go to any clothing store to see that 75% of the garments
are for women, only 25% for men; then there is make-up, plastic surgery,
etc.) Consider that we chant Hare Krsna in the street, wear strange clothing,
shave our heads, and put yellow "mud" on our noses all without caring for
public opinion. Frankly, they already think we are more than a "little"
strange. So why should we care what they think of our values? Rather than
caring about public opinion, we should be endeavoring to satisfy Srila
Prabhupada and the paramapara. Our actual duty is to represent them,
by teaching spiritual knowledge and eternal cultural values without comprise.
(Srila Prabhupada would often say that his only credit was that he didn't
change anything.) Better to please the acaryas and risk displeasing
the public!
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From a: Room Conversation with Siddha-svarupa -- May
3, 1976, Honolulu
Hari-sauri: Well, their idea was that because sometimes
the public is becoming disturbed by the book distribution, then therefore
it's not being done correctly. So it should be stopped.
Prabhupada: Public may disturb,
but we are following our own course of action. It is not obligatory.
We are requesting you, "Take this book." That is not obligatory. "If you
like, you can take. If you don't like, don't take."
Siddha-svarupa: I think that...
Hari-sauri: So what their idea was that we shall build
some public relations, like you said with this store. They prefer to try
to spread Krsna consciousness by public relations, give good impression,
and then people will come.
Prabhupada: Then you are dictated
by the public, not by the dictation of your spiritual master. Spiritual
master has ordered to distribute books; you shall do that. That is obedience.
Now the public may take or not take, that is public's option. But my duty
is-because spiritual master has said-I must try my best. Spiritual master
has not said that "You must sell so many books daily, otherwise I will
reject you." He has not said that. So everyone may try his best, that's
all. The public may take or not take, it doesn't matter. And if you are,
want to please the public, public says that "You dance naked, I will be
very happy with you, I'll give you (indistinct)." So I'll have to do that.
Then what is the use of making a spiritual master? Public, they have got
their whims, how to become pleased. So we are to follow all these things?
We have to follow our instruction of the spiritual master. That is... (indistinct)
Why to manufacture "The public will be pleased like this"? Public may or
may not give you, what you can do?
Hari-sauri: Our success is
in the spiritual master's pleasure, not the public's pleasure.
Prabhupada: Yes, that is bhakti. Otherwise why Krsna
says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]? "You
haven't got to please so many religious instructions. You simply please
Me." That is Krsna's...
Siddha-svarupa: I don't think the devotees who factioned
out were against book distribution. I think that a little bit was that
some of the devotees were using very, very forceful tactics and trying
to give people books and take their money, and people were becoming very
offended...
Prabhupada: That is not (indistinct).
Siddha-svarupa: That is not what you want.
Hari-sauri: That's all right, but don't give up the
book distribution.
Siddha-svarupa: Yes.
Hari-sauri: This is what happened.
The temples fell down, the devotees went away. The ones who were distributing
the books went on and distributed more books, became more expert, so that
the public were not so much disturbed, and still they're distributing books.
But these people who factioned off are not distributing books even now,
two or three years later. So it was simply actually a question of faultfinding
more than earnest desire to please the spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Yes. (pause) Discuss.
Devotee: All glories to Srila Prabhupada. (end)
Another observation is that individuals who espouse
feminism have never lived in India, the eternal seat of Vedic culture.
They may have visited for a few weeks during festivals, but this is much
different than spending several years living among the people. And while
it is true that Kali-yuga has taken its toll upon India, there are still
many traces of Vedic culture in India, as well as persons who follow it.
We suggest that those who espouse feminism may have some theoretical knowledge
of Vedic philosophy but are woefully lacking in practical application.
It is also felt that these same persons have a "despise India" attitude,
(see 4.4). (Please see Section 2.11
for testimonials from cultured matajis from Mayapura on this point.)
We would like to see this deficiency rectified,
by having all leaders in ISKCON spend lengthy times in India getting serious
training in applied Vedic culture. It was for this reason that Srila Prabhupada
wanted all his disciples to spend at least one consecutive year in India,
to absorb Vedic culture by osmosis
A final observation is that ISKCON Communications (which is
steeped in feminism) is now practically controlling the NA GBC and likely
infiltrating into the International GBC as well. One veteran TP was asked
if the TPs were controlled by the IC people. Here is his blunt answer:
<< Do they listen and fall for that garbage? >>
"Take a look at the resolutions and you'll know that they eagerly
fall for it. I can tell you already in advance what the next resolutions
will be. Their overall program
is to make everything in the movement as karmi-like (and 'acceptable')
as possible + they are expert to avoid the real issues (and problems) within
the movement. The reason the presidents fall for it is mainly because
many of them are simple yes-men who have no clue how to manage, or women
who go along with sentimental political agendas - being already blissed
out that they could be seen in the same room with big guns, or old TP's
who take rest during the meetings. To spice the meetings, they generally
invite a few 'professionals' from the real world or Christian priests.
No president ever gets to talk or have any control whatsoever over the
meetings. It's all Anuttama and Sudharma with the help of Badri, Bir Krishna
Goswami & Co. Absolutely pathetic.
What to do.
Y.s."
This can be rectified only by the will of the assembled
devotees.
Thank you very much.
Your humble servants in service to ISKCON,
Members of GHQ
Please visit the GHQ website at www.GHQD.org
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