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COM in Violation of United Nations Declaration of Human Rights?

USA (VNN) - Blocking Private Email
By Pratyatosa Dasa (ACBSP)
(www.com.org/stl/ptd/, ptd@com.org)

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:37:38 EDT
From: "WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA)" <ptd@com.org>
To: Discussions <discussions@com.org>,
USA Free Forum <usa.free.forum@com.org>,
Mrigendra Dasa ACBSP (Attorney) (LA - USA) <az284@lafn.org>,
Sesa das (GBC) (Seth W. Spellman) <105002.3172@compuserve.com>
Subject: Blocking Private Email

Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Suppose that private email messages are being blocked without the permission of either the sender or the receiver. According to the following, is this not a violation of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights?:

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

"The United Nations Declaration of Human Rights"

Article 12

"No one shall be subject to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."

Who should be contacted?:

Embassy of Sweden, Washington, D.C.?:
http://www.sweden.nw.dc.us/sweden/
ambassaden.washington@foreign.ministry.se


Embassy of the United States of America, Stockholm, Sweden?:
http://www.usis.usemb.se/
jpk@usia.gov


Amnesty International?:
http://www.amnesty.org/
admin-se@amnesty.org


Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:24:10 EDT
From: "WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA)" <ptd@com.org>
To: Discussions <discussions@com.org>,
USA Free Forum <usa.free.forum@com.org>,
Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP (USA) <pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
Balarama (Dasa) LOK (Alachua, FL - USA) <balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>
Subject: Blocking Private Email

On 01 Oct 1997, Pratyatosa Dasa wrote:

> Let's see whether or not either of us gets this as a personal
> message.

Dear Balarama Prabhu,

I haven't gotten this message so far, have you?

I did, however get the following message, which says that
"<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se> does not want any messages from you" and that "<pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se> does not want any messages from you". Isn't this interesting! According to this, I don't want any messages from myself!

According to a private email message that I received, someone named "Roberto Kampagnoli" is responsible for these unvaisnava, immoral, unjust, and also possibly criminal activities. Who is this "Roberto Kampagnoli"?

Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@CAM.ORG>
To: WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA) <ptd@com.org>
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown

The original message was received at Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:48:05 -0400
(EDT)
from www4.clever.net [209.25.18.1]

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>
<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>

----- Transcript of session follows -----
.. while talking to mail.bbt.se.:
>>> RCPT To:<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se> <<< 550
<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se> does not want any messages from you 550
<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>... User unknown
>>> RCPT To:<pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se> <<< 550
<pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se> does not want any messages from you 550
<pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>... User unknown

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Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; Stratus.CAM.ORG
Arrival-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:48:05 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se
Action: failed
Status: 2.0.0
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bbt.se
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 250 OK
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; balarama.lok@com.bbt.se
Action: failed
Status: 2.0.0
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.bbt.se
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 250 OK
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT)

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Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: <ptd@com.org>
Received: from com.org (www4.clever.net [209.25.18.1])
by Stratus.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP
id IAA22912; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:48:05 -0400 (EDT)
Message-id: <WWW46971@com.org>
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:44:33 EDT
From: "WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA)" <ptd@com.org>
To: Discussions <discussions@com.org>, USA Free Forum
<usa.free.forum@com.org>,
"Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP (USA)" <pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
"Balarama (Dasa) LOK (Alachua, FL - USA)"
<balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>
In-reply-to: <WWW46860@com.org>
Subject: Blocking Private Email
X-Com-Flags: TEXT
MIME-Version: 1.0

On 30 Sep 1997, Balarama Dasa wrote:

> > Suppose that private email messages are being blocked
> > without the permission of either the sender or the receiver.
>
> Are we talking about a personal letter, or about a submission
> to a conference on a privately owned server? If the former,
> there may be some grounds for complaint.

I'm talking about private email. For example, you have not
authorized anyone to block your incoming mail, and I have not
authorized anyone to block my outgoing mail. So, I'll add your
@com.bbt.se email address, as well as my own, to the list of
receivers of this message. Let's see whether or not either of us
gets this as a personal message.

Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:18:27 EDT
From: "WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA)" <ptd@com.org>
To: Discussions <discussions@com.org>,
USA Free Forum <usa.free.forum@com.org>,
Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP (USA) <pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
Balarama (Dasa) LOK (Alachua, FL - USA) <balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>,
WWW: Bhuta-bhavana (Dasa) ACBSP (Berkeley CA - USA)
<b_b@hotmail.com>
Subject: Blocking Private Email

On 1 Oct 1997, Bhuta-bhavana Dasa wrote:

> Why don't you open up a free e-mail account with
> http://www.hotmail.com

But Bhuta-bhavana Prabhu, there are over 1700 devotees with
@com.bbt.se email addresses (see
http://www.com.org/stl/hkl/ComUsers.txt). Most of them have no other
email address. If I send a message to any of them (even from my
Hotmail or Rocketmail accounts), it gets blocked.

No warning, no reason or no "length of sentence" has ever been
given. Therefore, my contention is that this blocking of private
email messages without permission from either the sender, or the
receiver, is unvaisnava, immoral, unjust and possibly even illegal.


Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:08:17 EDT
From: "WWW: Pratyatosa (Dasa) ACBSP (USA)" <ptd@com.org>
To: Discussions <discussions@com.org>,
USA Free Forum <usa.free.forum@com.org>,
Pratyatosa Dasa ACBSP (USA) <pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
Balarama (Dasa) LOK (Alachua, FL - USA) <balarama.lok@com.bbt.se>,
WWW: Bhuta-bhavana (Dasa) ACBSP (Berkeley CA - USA)
<b_b@hotmail.com>
Subject: Blocking Private Email

On 1 Oct 1997, Bhuta-bhavana Dasa wrote:

> Why don't you open up a free e-mail account with
> http://www.hotmail.com

You've definitely got a point here, Bhuta-bhavana Prabhu. I could
open up a new Hotmail, Rocketmail or Mailexcite account any time
that I really wanted a new email address, in order to send a message
to any of the @com.bbt.se addresses.

I could even use something like james_bond@cia.gov by using
Netscape's built in mail server, and then, if I wanted a reply, give
my real email address in the body of the message.

This is what makes it even more ridiculous! They're not stopping me
from sending any email messages! They are simply risking doing
something immoral and illegal in the name of Prabhupada's movement,
just to be mildly annoying, to make themselves look bad and to waste
my time, as well as their own!

Don't they have anything better to do???

Your servant,
Pratyatosa Dasa

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 97 06:51 SST
From: "COM: Vipramukhya Swami" <Vipramukhya.Swami@com.bbt.se>
To: A concerned bhakta <bhakta@concerned.com>,
COM: Badrinarayan ACBSP <badrinarayan.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Bhakti Caru Swami <bhakti.caru.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Bhakti Raghava Swami <bhakti.raghava.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Bhaktisvarupa Damodara Swami
<bhaktisvarupa.damodara.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Bhakti-tirtha Swami <bhakti-tirtha.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: AC Bhaktivaibhava Swami <ac.bhaktivaibhava.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Bhurijana ACBSP <bhurijana.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
BKGoswami <BKGoswami@compuserve.com>,
COM: Giridhari Swami (Hong Kong) <giridhari.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Giriraja Swami <giriraja.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Gopal Krsna Goswami <gopal.krsna.goswami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Guru Prasad Swami <guru.prasad.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Harikesa Swami <harikesa.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Harivilas (das) ACBSP (GBC) (USA) <harivilas.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Hridayananda Dasa Goswami
<hridayananda.Dasa.goswami@com.bbt.se>,
Jaya_Pataka_Swami <Jaya_Pataka_Swami@compuserve.com>,
COM: Kavicandra Swami (GBC Japan) <kavicandra.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Madhu Sevita ACBSP <madhu.sevita.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
103460.1532 <103460.1532@compuserve.com>,
COM: Naveen Krishna ACBSP <naveen.krishna.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
Niranjana_Swami <Niranjana_Swami@compuserve.com>,
COM: Paramgati Swami (France) <paramgati.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Prabhavisnu Swami <prabhavisnu.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Radhanatha Swami <radhanatha.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Ramai Swami <ramai.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Ravindra Svarupa ACBSP <ravindra.svarupa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Rohini Suta (das) ACBSP (GBC) <rohini.suta.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Romapada Swami <romapada.swami@com.bbt.se>,
105002.3172 <105002.3172@compuserve.com>,
COM: Sivarama Swami <sivarama.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Sridhar Swami <sridhar.swami@com.bbt.se>,
COM: Suhotra Swami <suhotra.swami@com.bbt.se>,
102560.731 <102560.731@compuserve.com>,
COM: Virabahu (das) ACBSP (GBC) <virabahu.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
jswami <jswami@freenet5.afn.org>,
WWW: Bhima (Dasa) ACBSP (St. Louis MO - USA) <bhima@com.org>,
nrs <nrs@primenet.com>,
COM: Svavasa (das) ACBSP (NA-BBT) <svavasa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
Ramabhadra <Ramabhadra@aol.com>,
COM: Bhusaya ACBSP <bhusaya.acbsp@com.bbt.se>,
pada <pada@netroplex.com>,
rocana <rocana@islandnet.com>,
rocana <rocana@harekrsna.com>,
COM: Pratyatosa ACBSP <pratyatosa.acbsp@com.bbt.se>
Subject: Blocking Private Email

> Suppose that private email messages are being blocked without the
> permission of either the sender or the receiver.

COM is not a public e-mail service. If someone wants to receive mail
without having some messages blocked, he should approach and use a
public e-mail provider. That is not the function or obligation of
COM.

ys Vipramukhya Swami

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